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Doug Hesney's avatar

Ok I loved, loved this piece. But I'm going to be honest. I loved this movie far more for visceral reasons. The asphalt and waves of the final car chase. The madcap escape of Sensei and Bob. The propulsive movement of the film and the performances. I feel a lot of the critiques of "OBAA" both for good and ill focus on "WHAT DOES IT MEAN?" rather than how does this story, of these people, in this moment - make you feel?

I also think that is what PTA is getting at in this film - that the ideologies, the systems, the paranoid THINKING - is what is taking us away from our true feelings. It's literally personified by Lockjaw -- but it infects many of the characters in different ways. I know I loved the film because of this richness - not because it had anything particular to say about revolution or American fascism. Its much more interesting to see how those systems and their battles impact these people.

Dane Benko's avatar

> Robust portrait of white supremacist psychology,

See I didn't find the portrait of white supremacy to be all that robust, though I found Penn's characterization to be specifically. The CAC just seemed like a big joke on how elitists join silly organizations like The Illuminati: groups fascinated by secret handshakes and ancient symbols, so irrespective of the symbols' meaning to the point where they pump a classic Christmas tune right into their hallways performed by Ella Fitzgerald, a black woman. I got a lot of Gen X detached irony from a lot of the comedy of the movie, from the "Haha Lockjaw is a submissive cuck!" to Bob yelling over the phone about how stupid safe spaces and virtue signals are, until resolving the conflict by literally asking to speak to a manager.

That said I agree that Penn's embodiment of that joke was pure slapstick comedy, a military man literally gimped from too much duck walk marching and standing at attention. It's cartoonish but it's a very good cartoon.

The cartoonishness, though, shows up less robust in light of the original text. Brock Vond is far more robust of a character... And Frenesi (named like fresnel, focusing a spotlight) moreso than Perfidia (name translates to "betrayal"). It's a lot harder to get into the details in the new criticism way, but where PT Anderson sez "Fuck da police!" (and then the liberal Discourse lines up and obediently proclaims, "Aww yiss PTA sez Fuck da Police, best movie ever!" and the conservative Discourse lines up and obediently proclaims, "Oh noes, PTA sez Fuck da Police, worst movie ever!", in such lockstep it does show PTA's point about both sides trapping themselves in the same energy), Thomas Pynchon sez, "You know, the tragedy of America is that she LOVES getting a good hard fuck by the police, the horny bitch." Frenesi's attraction to Vond is because of his brutality the way Lockjaw's attraction to Perfidia is because of her dominance. Pynchon is pointing out something really disturbing and hard to swallow about the human condition, and that is that humans are attracted to and aroused by, even sexuality, brutality... And that that attraction builds and explodes up on the world periodically as it can't really be suppressed forever, no matter our "institutions" and "social contracts."

In short, Lockjaw is dumb, hahaha, but Vond isn't dumb. Vond is scary. Vond is the guys actually leading ICE and the military and most major police departments these days, sure, but Vond is in all of us ("V" based last names are typically the bad guys in Pynchon's work, and it started with V herself being a seductive mystery that drives the third rail of history).

Anyway this is all to say that OBAA was an entertaining and well made cartoon, and as an adorer of entertaining and well made cartoons, I adore it, but I don't much like the Discourse around how it "takes on fascism" because it doesn't anymore than Donald Duck did in his classic nightmare episode. And OBAA does actually transcend cartoon in the figure of Willa alone, who both has to learn who her dad is (and save him) and who her mother was through the battle of her parents. Bob: "She's a hero!" Nuns: "She's a betrayer." Lockjaw: "She's a warrior." That was some good character arc. Too bad Willa just inherets the revolution and no commentary whatsoever is put into how all these people tried to control her life and put her in mortal danger against her concent. That was a major aspect that bothered me, that her inheritance as a revolutionary leader was just taken for granted.

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