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Dave Baxter's avatar

This is largely a conversation for the Writer's Guild / union, who control crediting rules and rights - Studios and producers simply have to play along. Currently, a director has to re-write or write over 50% of a screenplay to recieve any writing credit alongside the original writer(s). This was put in place because in the past directors would almst by default knock off the original writer's credits and just claim it for their own...whether they had really changed all that much or not.

So for the example of Alien, Dan O'Bannon is the only credited writer in the actual movie credits. With a "Story by" Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett. Walter Hill and David Giler are not officially credited in the movie AT ALL. And, unfortunately, how writers are credited determines how they're paid, so until/unless the Guild allows for a whole new style of crediting that isn't entirely tied to any given writer's livelihood, this is a question of more than just how crediting feels to us in terms of authenticity.

But I also, on a purely philosophical level, am not sure I agree that changes at any level of significance makes a screenplay "based on" a previous draft, rather than a tweaked version of that draft. Especially when it comes to tonal shifts - which can be executed predominantly in the direction of the movie and not at the script level - this becomes an iffy proposition. If I co-wrote a screenplay with three other people, there's still that element of 3/4ths of the screenplay not being my pure vision. That doesn't mean the others "based" their writing on my ideas or takes or vice versa. There's too much nuance being left on the table here, imo.

That all said, I wonder how much the 2018 movie THE MAN WHO FEELS NO PAIN, a Bollywood action comedy that hit it big at TIFF and did well in North America influenced how the directors (and likely the studio) thought Novocaine had to work.

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Really I think the issue is in compartmentalizing genre elements, which is fine if you have a sharp vision of what you're making (which Berk and Olsen arguably did not).

I remember early on, I read an interview with the Duplass brothers, who I never really liked. They were talking about building a story by adding some drama and comedy and sprinkling them whenever they liked. I thought this was 100% false. EVERYTHING is drama. It's all drama, you never forsake drama. If you're making a full-on comedy, have confidence in it and move forward. But if you're making something like "Cyrus" don't shove some distracting "Step Brothers" business in there. Find where you can exaggerate the drama and let audiences find the joke.

Filmmakers used to respect audiences enough to find the joke. I'm hardly a fan of "John Wick", but those movies very delicately add humor -- mostly physical slapstick -- in a way that lets the audience laugh on their own, choose what is humorous. To go back further, the jokes in "The Graduate" are not universal laugh lines, everyone might laugh somewhere different.

I haven't seen "Novocaine", but what those guys are describing sounds a lot like losing confidence in the drama and finding ways to replace it with jokes, and then modulating the movie so they could toggle back and forth between drama (sadism, really) and gags, strictly a bid to keep the attention of restless audiences.

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